Is Etsy Targeting Turkish Stores In Latest Round Of Automated Deactivations?

Liz Morton
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UPDATE 1-16-24

Etsy sellers are sharing their stories on Twitter as well as in the comments below - from the reports we're seeing in the last few days, this looks to be a widespread issue impacts sellers in Turkey.

Apparently, Turkish Amazon sellers experienced something similar recently as well, though it's not clear if there was a common thread or explanation like new financial requirements or regulations.

I've reached out to Etsy for comment and will update as soon as I have more information about this important issue.


Etsy sellers in Turkey report a troubling wave of stores being shut down with no explanation and no recourse for appeal - is this another round of bots gone wild on the platform?

Ecommerce consultant and Etsy seller Cindy Baldassi shared a LinkedIn post from a seller in Turkey indicating many shops have recently experienced sudden shutdowns, possibly due to financial records requirements.

In the post, shop owner Özgür Özsezer addressed Etsy CEO Josh Silverman and other executives as well as investors asking for help to have these account restrictions reviewed.

Özgür Özsezer on LinkedIn: #etsy #etsysellers #smallbusiness #etsyuk #etsyturkey #ecommerce… | 73 comments
Dear Josh Silverman and other Etsy managers, we need your help. Josh Silverman , Rachel Glaser , Rachana Kumar , Raina Moskowitz , Nicholas Daniel , Brendan… | 73 comments on LinkedIn

Dear Josh Silverman and other Etsy managers, we need your help.

Josh Silverman , Rachel Glaser , Rachana Kumar , Raina Moskowitz , Nicholas Daniel , Brendan Mulryan , Merilee Buckley , Colin Stretch , Deb Wasser, IRC

We write here to express our concerns and worries regarding the recently closed Etsy stores operating worldwide, and we request a reconsideration of the matter as we believe that several stores have been unjustly closed and it would be great if we could get your assistance and clarification on this matter.

We believe, that there hasn't been a fair review process carried out in the closure of the Etsy stores in recent times, and we truly hope this issue can be rectified. We also would like to draw attention to the issues in the processes related to copyright infringements. We really have some concerns about the arbitrary copyright claims and the mismanagement of this process.

It is possible that for some reason Etsy does not want (permanently or temporarily) new stores to be opened from different countries, such as Turkey for example, we believe there should be a clear statement about this policy. If such a policy exists, it would be fair if it could be explicitly stated and the community to be appropriately informed on this matter.

Taking these issues into consideration, we hope for a reevaluation of the store closures, a review of the copyright processes, and the disclosure of a clear policy concerning Turkish sellers. We truly believe in Etsy's fair and transparent structure. However, we have concerns about recent store closures by bots and the lack of transparency and fairness in the appeal processes. Therefore, we request a reevaluation of this workflow and some clarifications on these matters.

To all readers:
Please consider showing your support by liking, sharing, and, most importantly, commenting on this post. Your comments will amplify our collective voice and encourage Etsy management to address these critical concerns. Thank you for standing with us in this endeavor.

CC: Etsy investors.
We've added you out seeking your guidance to help us find a solution.

The post has garnered over 70 comments in three days, many from other Turkish sellers who say they are also experiencing the same issues.

The items in my shop are exclusively vintage rugs, each over 40 years old, crafted by Anatolian women in small villages. These rugs align perfectly with Etsy's policies for vintage items. They are authentic, handcrafted pieces with no association with any modern trademarks or copyrights, ensuring they don't infringe on Etsy's Prohibited Items or Intellectual Property Policies.

I totally believe my shop was caught by etsy's system accidently.

My rugs are vintage items over 40+ years. These rugs are not trademark or not prohibited item.

I hope they see our request and consider our situation again.

I opened my 3rd store on January 06, 2024 and it was suspended before I even uploaded any products. No email was sent to me. I objected many times and sent e-mails, but there was no response. I have read the store policies, I know them. I was meticulous when opening the store, but the result was delayed. We would like at least some information.

Closing my Etsy store, which had 950 sales and 350 5-star reviews in 2 years, without any apparent reason seems abnormal. Is it normal to close a star seller store without providing any explanation since its opening?

Etsy has been increasingly moving to AI-powered automation for content moderation and policy enforcement in conjunction with other cost-cutting measures, like laying off over 200 people last month.

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Unfortunately these automated systems are wreaking havoc for legitimate sellers by mis-identifying items, flagging authentic handmade items as counterfeits or IP infringement, and removing listings without notice all while allowing disturbing AI-generated deepfake celebrity adult content to flourish on the platform.

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AI-generated pornographic images of at least 55 well known celebrities were available for purchase until Forbes notified Etsy. Meanwhile, the company’s recommendation and “related searches” feature directed users to even more...

...The listings were quite clear about what they were selling. “This package contains 40 high quality uncensored JPG images featuring many different gorgeous AI-generated, fully nude young women in different poses and different locations. No duplicates from other listed packages,” read one listing.

The site has also increasingly been targeted by spammers and scammers looking to take advantage of naive new users, leading Etsy to take the drastic step of taking their community forums almost entirely private and restricting certain uses of their APIs by third parties in order to try to combat the schemes.

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Are these Turkish account shutdowns part of these efforts to fight fraud on the platform and if so, does Etsy have a bigger problem than they are publicly admitting?

If you're an Etsy seller in Turkey who has had your account shutdown with no explanation and no ability to appeal, I'd love to hear from you! Leave a comment below or contact VAR.

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GlobalCanvasART
Hello Liz my store link is here " https://www.etsy.com/shop/GlobalCanvasART " . My store was closed for no reason 2 months ago and I did not even receive an e-mail regarding the issue. Later, I objected, but it was stated that it was closed permanently. but no reason was given. We are truly victims of this issue, my Etsy store, which was my last resort to support my family, was taken away from me. We were victimized because we did not know the reason.
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Tugce
Dear Liz,

I had shop on etsy since 2021 and in this 2 years i have sold around 6.000 items with more than 1500 5 star review. Just before the Christmas Season Etsy suspended my shop without any reason and explanation. Also they made refund to buyers even the items were already in Transit about about to delivery. So my account was minus 5.000$ due to the refunds that i had already produced and shipped. I have filled an appeal form but there was no respond. My shop is still closed, i had send several messages to etsy team in Linkedin as well, no response. I do not know what they arw trying to do but this unfair management damages the succesfull sellers a lot.
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Esin
Hello Liz,
Thank you very much for examining this matter and trying to help people.

I'm Esin, the owner of AtelierByDaphne, and my shop was unexpectedly shut down without any prior warning or explanation. I design textile products, collaborating with local tailors in Antakya, Turkey.
Upon the opening of my shop over a year ago, I faced a setback when an earthquake struck, causing me to lose all my fabrics under the rubbles of my tailor's shop/home. Fortunately, she managed to survive but she had to move to another city with her family.

Despite the challenges, I persevered, finding a new talented tailor and rebuilding my inventory from scratch. Unfortunately, without any notice, Etsy closed my shop, offering no explanation.
I believe that I have not violated any policies, as many of my products were chosen as Etsy Picks, and I consistently received positive feedback from satisfied customers. It is disheartening that Etsy did not communicate the reason behind the closure, especially considering the dedication and hard work invested in handmade products.
I wish Etsy would take into account the substantial effort people put into creating handmade items and appreciate the individuals who contribute behind the scenes.
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Fatma Gul
Hello, I'm Fatma Gul. I have been selling on the Etsy platform for 1.5 years. I have strictly adhered to Etsy Rules and Policies since I started selling. I was a store that got along well with all my customers and sent its cargo on time. In fact, I ended my 10-year nursing career in order to do this job efficiently. However, Etsy permanently suspended my store without giving any reason. I objected but received an email saying they couldn't explain why. I emailed the evidence multiple times. All I received was an automatically sent email. My products were unique and unmatched anywhere in the world. This seems really terrible and unfair to me. Since I have an open order, I can still make limited transactions in my store. Many of my customers say they want to buy but I have to tell them there is nothing I can do. Why should a store that sells a product that is not sold on any platform and that the customer is satisfied with be closed? Those who put so much effort into this platform should not do this. And Etsy eventually put me out of business with no explanation.
Fatma Gul
Best Regards
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Guney
I put months of effort, invested, and opened my store just when my sales were starting to increase, and it was suspended last month. There's no reason, no explanation. It's really disheartening, and it's just not fair
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Berke B.
Hello, I make wooden decorations. I have been selling on Etsy for a year and a half and I have sold over 1500 items. My store was not closed, but upon complaint, my best-selling product was delisted because it was supposedly not handmade, and my star seller badge was removed. Thereupon, I opened a case, proved with photos and videos that the product was handmade, and although I sent messages many times, I did not receive a response for 20 days. Likewise, I get depressed when I see stores being closed, and I cannot focus on my work as much as I used to because I think my store will be closed one day, and I am looking for new marketplaces. I hope this issue is resolved soon.
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Songul Yılmaz
"Profoundly disappointed with Etsy – my store closed immediately after opening, without any prior or subsequent notice or explanation. The total absence of communication has left me utterly bewildered and disheartened. The abrupt and unexplained closure raises serious doubts about the platform's transparency and fairness. Etsy, once esteemed, has now become a source of disillusionment due to this unexpected and unexplained action, eroding the trust I once had. The lack of clarity surrounding this drastic measure makes it challenging to comprehend, emphasizing the importance of open communication and transparency in maintaining a positive seller-platform relationship. A disheartening experience with Etsy, to say the least."
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Eness
Merhaba beninde bir mağazam bir sebep belirtilmeden kasım bir anda kapatıldı. Nedenini sorduğumda ise standart olarak gönderilen Etsy politikalarının ihlal edildiğinin vs. yazan bir mesaj alıyorum ancak net bir sebep sunulmuyor. Mağazam yaklaşık olarak 2 yıldır faaliyet gösteriyordu ve 4.8 geri bildirim derecesine sahipti. Ürunlerim tamamen el yapımı ve kişiselleştirilir ürünlerdi. Mağazamin kontrol edilip tekrar açılmasını umuyorum.
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lessthanthreerecords
After being an occasional Etsy buyer for well over a decade (probably closer to two decades), I closed my account, and it is largely because of this AI nonsense. I can't speak to a human without opening a Better Business Bureau complaint, and even then, I can't get any real answers to what should be simple issues to solve. If it's a platform I use a lot, I sometimes put up with it to an extent, but as only a casual buyer, it's not worth it. I feel bad for the sellers who are not able to sell to me and others like me, because I did have many good experiences with various artisans over the years.
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